The Man in Black
Subject: Re: DG: EH: JADE THRONE--China Chapter
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:30:05 -0500 (EST)

On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Mark McFadden@warnerbros.com wrote:
> Now there's an opening for the Russian Mafia connections to the
> Karotechia, lot's of modern weaponry and several new countries
> strapped for cash.
The Russian Mafia connection was what I was hoping would link the Stalingrad/Istanbul Chapters with the China Chapter. However, the possibility of experimental prototype German U-boats also appeals to me. In "Tigers of Terra" the Nazis have a U-boat that opens up to reveal a seaplane launching rail. How they get the seaplane back on is a mystery to me. I think they surface under the plane, then open the hatch and pull or push the plane onto the rails. Then they retract the rails with the mounted seaplane into the hull, close up and submerge.


The Man in Black
Subject: RE: DG: EH: JADE THRONE--China Chapter
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:19:50 -0500 (EST)

David Farnell, are you mocking me? I WILL NOT BE MOCKED BY YOU!
> Oh, man, now I gotta work in the Russians, too? Hmm, I guess they could be
> competing with the tong...

Not really, all the investigators do is track a bunch of stolen U-boat parts shipped to Grey Dragon Island. No Ivans need appear in China, although some Russian Organizatiya who survive the carnage in Volvograd/Stalingrad might show up as refugees at the Secret Volcano Base.

Man, Secret Volcano Base really needs a Kewl name like EISSCHLOSS or somethin'.


Andrew D. Gable
Subject: Re: DG: EH: JADE THRONE--China Chapter
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:52:41 -0500

On 1/5/99 (360 days from the Apocalypse), the MIB wrote:
> Man, Secret Volcano Base really needs a Kewl name like EISSCHLOSS or
> somethin'.

A few possibilities:

FEUERBURG (Fire Castle)
FEUERBERG (Fire Mountain)
GRAUDRACHE (Grey Dragon...it was on Grey Dragon Island, nicht?)


FRANK M ADAMS
Subject: Re: DG: Re: Volcano Base Names
Date: 6 Jan 1999 15:48 GMT

Andrew D. Gable, Ex-Lord of the Dance and Future MiB wrote:
> (snipped many kewl firepit-type names)
>
> Got me thinking. How about just names for hell? AFAIK, most wouldn't be even
> changed in German. Something along the lines of Inferno, or Muspelheim
> (after the Norwegian hell), or Erebus, or Tartarus, or Gehenna...or how
> about "Teufelhaus" (Devil's House) or something.

Excellent idea! I was going that way, but Inferno was too Americanized for me and I wanted it to sound REALLY German! ;)

Tuefelhaus is pretty good though. Didn't even think Devil.

We could even go with something like

CERBERUS

or

DIE CERBERUS

and have three main volcanic vents or three submarine bays or something like that...

The Quiet Man


FRANK M ADAMS
Subject: DG: Volcano Base Names

The always warm and wonderful MiB wrote:
>Man, Secret Volcano Base really needs a Kewl name like EISSCHLOSS or
> somethin'.
I'm not too fluent in German, but how about:

Spielplatz Der Hëlle - Hell's Playground or Playground of Hell

Werkstatt Der H=ëlle - Hell's Workshop or Workshop of Hell

Villa des Feuers - Mansion of Fire

Die FeuerHëhle - The Fire Cave

Die Hëlle Bohrung - The Hell Hole

Die Feuergrube - The Fire Pit

Die Hëlle Grube - The Hell Pit

Die Grube der Hëlle - The Pit of Hell

The Quiet Man


Andrew D. Gable
Subject: DG: Re: Volcano Base Names
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:36:47 -0500

It's January 6, 1999, and Frank M. Adams hath spake:
>I'm not too fluent in German, but how about:

(snipped many kewl firepit-type names)

Got me thinking. How about just names for hell? AFAIK, most wouldn't be even changed in German. Something along the lines of Inferno, or Muspelheim (after the Norwegian hell), or Erebus, or Tartarus, or Gehenna...or how about "Teufelhaus" (Devil's House) or something.


Andrew D. Gable
Subject: Re: DG: Re: Volcano Base Names
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:13:40 -0500

It's January 6, 1999 and Frank M. Adams (aka Ye Liveliest Awfullness) wrote:
> Ex-Lord of the Dance

As long as it's the King in Yellow and not that tapdancing Michael what's-his-name. :-)
> Excellent idea! I was going that way, but Inferno was too Americanized for
> me and I wanted it to sound REALLY German! ;)

I personally like Muspelheim. Then the commander-in-charge of the base could be code-named Surtur.


Davide Mana
Subject: DG: Re: Volcano Base Names
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 00:36:34 +0100

Greetings.

Sorry if a chime in this late on the thread about the German Volcano Base Name, but I have a little observation, that the Man in Black will probably dismiss as futile, but I feel like inflicting on you nonetheless.

A lot of the (impressive sounding) German names that have been proposed deal with Hell, Devils and the lot.
Considering the guys are Nazis - and Mythos-corrupted Nazis at that - this might sound reasonable but...
Let's not forget these guys are convinced they are right.

One thing is calling their base "The Eagle's Nest".
Pretty martial and all that.
But "Hell Hole"?
Thet's bad PR.
All right as a code-name for the DG people to use, but I guess Karotechia would go for something less "Hi! We're the bad guys!" for their own doorbell tag.


David Farnell
Subject: RE: DG: Re: Volcano Base Names
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 08:46:45 +0900

Agent Adams wrote:
> Excellent idea! I was going that way, but Inferno was too Americanized for
> me and I wanted it to sound REALLY German! ;)

How come Inferno is Americanized? Isn't it Latin? But, yeah, it doesn't
sound German enough.
>Tuefelhaus is pretty good though. Didn't even think Devil.

Or Teufelsdreck (obscure literary ref)
>DIE CERBERUS

DIE, CEREBUS, DIE! The new collection from Dave Sim!


The Man in Black
Subject: Re: DG: Re: Volcano Base Names
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 19:33:33 -0500 (EST)

Davide Mana, yadda yadda yadda, disrespect me, betta recognize:
> All right as a code-name for the DG people to use, but I guess Karotechia
> would go for something less "Hi! We're the bad guys!" for their own
> doorbell tag.


The names suggested by the folk earilier aren't based upon shaky justifications of Nazi delusional reality. They're derived from campy B-movie source material. Let's face it, the Karotechia are those wacky guys from "They Saved Hitler's Brain" and everyone knows it.

Speaking of which, I found this hilarious X-rated novella called Nazi Joy Camp while engaged in my usual debaucheries. Doesn't Joy Camp sound like Uncle Joe's illegitimate daughter?


The Man in Black
Subject: Re: DG: Re: Volcano Base Names
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:29:45 -0500 (EST)

Who's House? Teufel's Haus! Teufel's in da house!

Damn, that's the funky sound!

FUNNN-KEEE Teufelhaus!
Teufel's got the FUNK!
GOOD GOD Y'ALL~!
Teufel's got the FUNK!
OWWWW~!

Teufel party Forever 'cause the party don't stop,
Teufel's gettin' funky, are you ready to rock?!

...and you can dance to it too!

I think we're more along the lines of a functional anarchy. Wait, let's call it an Informal Panel, sounds so much more dignified that way. Secret Volcano Base is pretty much SuperDave's cup of tea right now, so he can call it Karotechia Dance Party 2000 for all I care.

The Man in Black is : rockin' your body with the block-rockin' beats!


Chris Womack
Subject: Re: DG: Re: Volcano Base Names
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:33:26 -0800 (PST)

Heh, I'm the Keeper of the List; I'm allowed to go off-topic to be pedantic. ;)

"Teufelsdreck" (or, more properly, Teufelsdrockh) is the surname of the protagonist of Thomas Carlyle's _Sartor Resartus_. The character's first name was Diogenes; hence his full name, when translated from the respective Greek and German into English, is "God-begotten devil's dung".
And you thought Carlyle had no sense of humor.


David Farnell
Subject: RE: DG: Re: Volcano Base Names
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:48:53 +0900

Chris "Wo-Mack-Attack" Womack wrote:
> The character's first
> name was Diogenes; hence his full name, when translated from the
> respective Greek and German into English, is "God-begotten devil's dung".
Thanks for clearing that up, saving me the trouble of pulling my Norton Anthology off the shelf to look up the first name. Actually, I considered that as the name for my Bischof, but thought it a bit obvious. Still, a good name for a minor character.


David Farnell
Subject: RE: DG: Re: Volcano Base Names
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:03:28 +0900

The MiB murmured subliminal filthy urgings under his breath while voice-acting for Disney, and said:
> I think we're more along the lines of a functional anarchy. Wait, let's
> call it an Informal Panel, sounds so much more dignified that way. Secret
> Volcano Base is pretty much SuperDave's cup of tea right now, so he can
> call it Karotechia Dance Party 2000 for all I care.
Well, that's news to me! When did I get the Secret Volcano Base?

Kewl rap. Some native-German speaker's probably going to correct me on this, but the "eu" in Teufel is pronouced about the same as the "oi" in "spoilers." Just FYI.

And "Joy Camp"--hey, that's pretty good! Toss in something Chinese...hey, anybody know what the naming conventions would be for an abandoned mother in Hong Kong? Chinese name last or middle, whatevah? Like, would it be Joy Leung Camp, or Joy Camp Leung? Or even Yuan Joy Camp Leung? (Oh, wait, I think I mixed Mandarin and Cantonese names there.) Yeah, yeah, I know it's reversed in China--I'm doing it Western style.

SuperDave
who does it Western Style (YEEEEEE=HAAWWWWWWW!)


The Man in Black
Subject: RE: DG: Re: Volcano Base Names
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:37:12 -0500 (EST)

On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, David Farnell wrote:
> Well, that's news to me! When did I get the Secret Volcano Base?
Isn't SVB in the China chapter? Aren't you doing the China Chapter? What's going on? I'm so confused...

> SuperDave
> who does it Western Style (YEEEEEE=HAAWWWWWWW!)
NEW-PAIN~!


Shane Ivey
Subject: DG: Spoiling Sport?
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:12:28 EST

Let's be pretty careful about portraying this thing. MiB had it right in his first post on the idea when he said it could easily get into James Bond-movie cheesiness (or something to that effect). The Karotechia ought to be horrifying, not cliched. (Not that the inestimable SuperDave Farnell would turn out cliched work! It's just the basic idea makes me a little leery.)


The Man in Black
Subject: RE: DG: Re: Volcano Base Names
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:32:54 -0500 (EST)

It's a blustery winter morning here at Delta Green Stadium, stepping up to the plate for the home team, power-slugger David Farnell. Farnell is digging in defiantly. MiB winds up... AND A VICIOUS PITCH TO THE INSIDE!

> Me too. I think we need a new outline--I'm just lost on some points.
Maybe we could carve off SVB into an Interlude mini-encounter/dungeon like Arlington?

> (I shy away from James Bond--although Tomorrow Never Dies kicked ass,
Ah yes, Mr. Bond -- a facinating individual... I always thought he would make an excellent addition to (ominous fanfare) ...S.P.E.C.T.R.E.

The Man in Black is : Secret Agent 007 in Ian Fleming's Emerald Hammer


David Farnell
Subject: RE: DG: Re: Volcano Base Names
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:45:36 +0900

The MiB wrote:
>MiB winds up... AND A VICIOUS PITCH TO THE INSIDE!
OW! [sweeps helmet off and charges the plate]

> Maybe we could carve off SVB into an Interlude mini-encounter/dungeon like
> Arlington?
I like that. See, I can't fit SVB into the China chapter as it stands now, without it seeming like an afterthought. I like making it an Interlude, to be approached just about anytime in the second half of EH. If they've already run the China or Japan chapters, then maybe they'll have some cool contacts thay can use for help on reaching the base, attacking, etc.

I'm still up for doing SVB, though, as long as I can detach it from the China chapter. Still, if anybody jumps on it before I post anything, they can have it. Maybe Michael Layne?

Dave


David Farnell
Subject: RE: DG: Re: Volcano Base Names
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 13:32:02 +0900

The MiB plaintively meeped:

> Isn't SVB in the China chapter? Aren't you doing the China Chapter? What's
> going on? I'm so confused...
Me too. I think we need a new outline--I'm just lost on some points.

And point taken, Croaker, Jr (BTW, just who is Croaker, Sr?). But, I also like the maniacal over-the-top aspect, too. In my vision (and I'm sure we've got as many visions of this monstrosity as there are people working on it), in the end EH should try to strike a tenuous balance between chillingly realistic Le Carre-style and multiple-exit-wound John Woo-style (I shy away from James Bond--although Tomorrow Never Dies kicked ass, and made me want to somehow work in the Chinese spy service, whatever they're called). So sometimes in the creation process it'll go way over the top--don't worry, we'll bring it back to a better level by the end. Maybe.

I mean, while it's fun to portray the K as complete whack-a-mole Indy-Jones Nazis, a lot of the horror gets muted out when that happens. But it's still early--we've got plenty of time to find the balance point.

SuperDave


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