Andrew D. Gable
Subject: DG: The Fairfield Assassination
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 22:27:03 -0500

Hmm. Just reviewing the General Fairfield discussion at the Emerald Hammer site, and it hit me...the Delta Green rulebook never says where Fairfield's hideout was, does it?

Phil Ward
Subject: Re: DG: The Fairfield Assassination
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 08:55:52 +0000

It's strange, but for some reason I always pictured as being out in a snowbound wilderness with lots of evergreens around, etc.

Probably a bit of Alaskan Tundra.

It's not the sort of place they'd tell us about though. If I was MJ-12 I'd leave a bunch of motion activated camera's, and perhaps a claymore(/sentry gun) or two on the site to pick up anyone who came along to try and excavate a few more bits of information....

Besides, if the paranoid old buzzard only communicated via encrypted and anonymously re-mailed email, there's no way he's gonna say where his last refuge is.... Perhaps ALPHONSE doesn't know either.

comments?

Christopher
Subject: Re: DG: The Fairfield Assassination
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:47:15 -0800 (PST)

Personally, I have long suspected that the creators of "The X-Files" based the Smoking Man's hideout on such rumors about Gen. Fairfield. Snow, evergreens, and the blood of unwary intruders...

Be seeing you.

Christopher
Case Officer, Delta Green

Davide Mana
Subject: Re: DG: The Fairfield Assassination
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 11:30:38 +0100

Greetings again.

About Uncle Reggie's Last Stand, Phil observed:

> It's strange, but for some reason I always pictured as being out
> in a snowbound wilderness with lots of evergreens around, etc.
>
> Probably a bit of Alaskan Tundra.

Me too, exactly the same image and location.

So either
a - we've been brainwashed by too many cheap movies
or
b - we're on to something, I don't know what or how or why but sure it scares me.

Jimmie Bise, Jr.
Subject: Re: DG: The Fairfield Assassination
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:58:04 -0500

I had roughly the same image, but I envisioned upstate Maine...somewhere deep in Stephen King Country.

Though, for a thought, since Fairfield had to be relatively close to the Washington DC area (for his work, and to better keep tabs on DG operations), I've been thinking that perhaps Uncle Reginald was holed up in West Virginia somewhere. This idea looks good on paper for a couple reasons.

Its proximity to DC.
The US Government had been moving many government operations out there, thanks to the vigorous efforts of Senator Byrd (of WVa, of course...), including a large hunk of the FBI's Crime Lab.
There is at least one, and perhaps two, very large underground compounds in WVa that are (or were, I don't know whether the Gov't still would use them for this.) designated for use in case there was ever a nuclear exchange. It's a pretty large compound, with tunnels and rooms all over the place.

Given (2) and (3), it's plausible to think that Uncle Reginald might have known about an abandoned underground site (or better yet, had one built, and slipped it into another Gov't project), then built his cabin over it.
He might even be living there still, running DG from his underground hidey-hole via encrypted telephone and anonymous e-mail.

Michael Layne
Subject: Re: DG: The Fairfield Assassination
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 12:02:13 EST

Yes, there are some places in Greenbriar County, Mercer County, and even outlying parts of Kanawha County, that somewhat resemble upstate Maine... Very pretty country! In the winter, some of it can indeed look a bit like frozen tundra!

(It's said that, not even counting the Mountaineers with guns, this state would be tough to invade because your army would have to march over both sides of each acre!):)

The only underground site that has been publicized is the one beneath the Greenbriar Resort in southern WV. It's no longer in use by the US Government, and indeed I think some enterprising fellow here in WV wants to make it a tourist attraction. Of course, this does not at all keep various other sites from having been dug in odd corners of WV! (With all the underground mining here in the state, the movements of digging equipment, large trucks, etc. would be somewhat less conspicuous than in many other states!)

Use of an abandoned underground coal mine (a shaft mine with a vertical elevator shaft and elevator headframes, or a drift mine or slope mine (with horizontal or angled tunnel access, respectively) would be possible, but many of these (IIRC) have low headroom, and drainage problems. We have at least one non-operational coal mine (near Beckley) that offers guided tours!

There are also some fairly large underground limestone mines here in WV that could be used by the Government for secret stuff (so long as they don't have to worry about the facility standing up to a direct hit with a nuke -- not a really incredible amount of overhead cover -- but even NORAD, in Cheyenne Mountain, would likely protect you only from a near miss with a modern nuke...):)

IIRC, the internal temperature in a limestone mine stays in the mid to upper 50's (F) year-around, as the rock provides insulation, so environmental control costs are lowered.

With NBC filters on the air shafts (and an internal air supply good for a few weeks if necessary), water from an underground stream, a large stock of food and other consumables, and nuclear thermoelectric generators (like those developed for the NASA planetary probes), an underground facility could be self-sufficient for several years. There are only a limited number of possible entrances, and access to these can be controlled and monitored. Charges pre-placed in demolition chambers in the tunnel roof could, if necessary, drop much of a tunnel segment on invaders who managed to locate and breach an entrance. Digging their own entrance is likely to be conspicuous and time-consuming, and Fairfield would have time to call for backup to lift the siege, or to depart via an escape tunnel!

> He might even be living there still, running DG from his underground
> hidey-hole via encrypted telephone and anonymous e-mail.

I wouldn't go that far -- isn't it confirmed the assassins got him, or that he was still in his hideout when it self-destructed?

But, as long as he kept a low profile, Fairfield would probably like it here in WV (the only state to have seceded from secession):)! Some (most!) of the tales of crooked politicians here are undoubtedly true, so the General would simply have to make sure that any officials he bought _stayed_ bought! (I'll leave the methods as an exercise for the student...):)

It's said that if the infamous McDonald's shooting spree in California (?) had taken place at a McDonald's fast food place here in Charleston, the shooter would have been immediately mowed down by the fusillade of return fire from the customers at the tables... :)

Jimmie Bise, Jr
Subject: Re: DG: The Fairfield Assassination
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:08:44 -0500

> Yes, there are some places in Greenbriar County, Mercer County,
> and even outlying parts of Kanawha County, that somewhat resemble
> upstate Maine... Very pretty country! In the winter, some of it can
> indeed look a bit like frozen tundra!

Very, very true. And once you get up into the mountains, it's all very remote and cut-off from civilizations. Even television reception is difficult because of the intervening mountains(which is why it is said that the State flower of West Virginia is the Satellite dish). My Dad still tells me stories of days when he was a kid when he might have four good hours of sunlight, because the mountain cut off the rest of the light.

Perhaps New England and some of the other places Lovecraft wrote about aren't feasible today, but, believe me, West Virginia, and the Hill Country of Southern Virginia is ripe for tales like them.

> Use of an abandoned underground coal mine (a shaft mine with a
> vertical elevator shaft and elevator headframes, or a drift mine or slope
> mine (with horizontal or angled tunnel access, respectively) would be
> possible, but many of these (IIRC) have low headroom, and drainage
> problems. We have at least one non-operational coal mine (near Beckley)
> that offers guided tours!

Also, very very true. My Granddad was a coal miner (and, in fact, worked for a short time in the Very same mine that offers tours now!) from the SouthWestern part of the State, and my Father's recollection (who grew up in that area) was that there were mines everywhere, both small and large, most of which aren't operational anymore. Any one of them, or several nearby mines could well be used as a "bunker" or sorts. For that matter, the Mi-Go could well be inhabiting them, as their underground base of operations (OOH!!!! Inspiration for the Arlington Cemetery Chapter of EH!!!!! WooHoo!!)

> There are also some fairly large underground limestone mines
> here in WV that could be used by the Government for secret stuff (so long
> as they don't have to worry about the facility standing up to a direct
> hit with a nuke -- not a really incredible amount of overhead cover --
> but even NORAD, in Cheyenne Mountain, would likely protect you only from
> a near miss with a modern nuke...):)

I also seem to recall some faint recollections that the Gov't was going to use a limestone cave near Luray Caverns, VA to build a very large pool, which would count neutrinos. I'm not sure what happened to that project, but it may well have gone the way of the Superconducting Supercollider Project a few years ago. Even so, such a cave would be ideal for a whole lot of other things...like...hiding Grey Craft, a large laboratory, a secure "holding pen" for experiments., and lots and lots of other stuff.

> isn't it confirmed the assassins got
> him, or that he was still in his hideout when it self-destructed?

Well, not exactly. Uncle Reginald's whereabouts are unknown, but he is presumed dead. Could be anywhere...

> But, as long as he kept a low profile, Fairfield would probably
> like it here in WV (the only state to have seceded from secession):)!

And his conspiracy theories and anti-government tales, true or made-up to form a good cover story (as a recluse hermit militia-type) would make him the favorite of most of the locals, especially in more rural areas (which is only about 75% of the state...).

-Jimmie (Part-Hillbilly, and proud of it!)

Jimmie Bise, Jr.
Subject: Re: DG: The Fairfield Assassination
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:01:43 -0500

I have to say that what I've seen of the X-Files (admittedly not a lot) leads me to believe that they have been into the DG books a whole lot. I'm beginning to think that perhaps some borrowing has occurred. Not that I'm knocking the X-files guys, but too many coincidences can't be ignored...

-Jimmie

Christian Conkle
Subject: Back to the whole Chicken and Egg thing again
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:45:42 -0800

I don't really think the Ten Thirteen people were looking at DG for inspiration. It's probably more a matter that the Pagan People and the Ten Thirteen people were both looking to tried and true conspiratorial, espionage, and techno-thriller archetypes, both in setting and events, for common inspiration.

Coincidences can be attributed to the "great minds think alike" axiom. Not to mention subtle brainwashing by media such as movies and novels in the aforementioned genres. We all come to expect these things, so our minds subconsciously fill in the blanks with images we already know. That's why we all envisioned the same thing regarding Fairfield's hideaway. Though I never envisioned evergreens. I pictured a farm in rural Anystate, 10 miles from Anytown, pop. 5,000. Big fields, some trees in the distance. I guess I envisioned my grandparents home in Farmington, Missouri. Hunh.

Mark McFadden
Subject: DG: Fairfield's hideaway
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:33:00 -0800

Well, you guys got the snow right, but there were no trees, evergreen or otherwise because he was in the arctic, on the ice. During the Depression, Fairfield bought the arctic installation from Clark Savage, added secure comm lines and TADA, the Fortress of Solitude became Fairfield's Freehold!

The Man in Black
Subject: Re: DG: The Fairfield Assassination
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:11:13 -0500 (EST)

It's left up to the astute keeper, either that, or they just never bothered with the piddly details.

Andrew D. Gable
Subject: Re: DG: The Fairfield Assassination
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:04:20 -0500

It's January 5, 1999, and Michael Layne penned the fateful words:

> The only underground site that has been publicized is the one
> beneath the Greenbriar Resort in southern WV. It's no longer in use by
> the US Government, and indeed I think some enterprising fellow here in WV
> wants to make it a tourist attraction. Of course, this does not at all
> keep various other sites from having been dug in odd corners of WV!

Haven't been there and don't remember the descriptions I read, but what about the "TNT Area," at Pt. Pleasant (yes, site of all that Mothman loveliness)? That was some sort of WW2-era munitions depot or something. IIRC, it may have been subterranean. I remember theories going around that Mothman lived in the tunnels.

Wouldn't it make sense for Reggie to hideout in a place where the Mi-Go have been active?

The Man in Black
Subject: Re: DG: The Fairfield Assassination
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:52:19 -0500 (EST)

On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Jimmie Bise, Jr. wrote:

> Well, not exactly. Uncle Reginald's whereabouts are unknown, but he is
> presumed dead. Could be anywhere...

Assuming that reports of his death are greatly exaggerated, then ANDREA could very well be the ol' warhorse himself.

Anyway, I think Commodore Cook is a better target for grave-robbin' as he was active during WWII, and knows/would-be-known-by the Special K. it would go something like this...

...During a meeting with old school ghouls in Arlington Natl. cemetery, DG is ambushed by New-Age Ghouls in a vicious brutal firefight. The Evil Ghouls attack with black market weapons supplied by the Fate. It may be that the Fate send along a Lord or two with some Adepts for color. The old school ghouls used to take care of "debriefing" DG casualties, but after being blown up real good, their numbers (at Arlington at least) are much depleted.

The NAGs then go tearing up the cemetery (due to the fact that they ate one of the traditional ghouls who knew where all the DG graves were) and raid the uneaten DG dead, who are buried under false names and service records. Their raid is a bit sketchy because they all ate a little bit of the knowledgeable old ghoul, and their ideas of which graves to violate is a bit murky. The Heroin, Liao and millennia old Stygian Black Lotus help to cloud their judgement a bit as well.

DG then has to exhume it's own, with possibly faulty and spotty records of where their graves are. Maybe the goody-two-shoes ghouls regularly switched the DG bodies around in their tunnels for added security. This would confuse and befuddle both DG and the Evil Ghouls. A nasty conflict that is part chase scene and part race-against-time ensues in the SuRrEal dreamland-bordering tunnels beneath Arlington.

As this hasty violation of graves continues, Commodore Cook is nabbed by the Evil Ghouls, and Fairfield's coffin is found to be either empty or filled with someone else's corpus delecti (or, if you're a Monty-Haul Keeper - seven thousand Krugerands, $13 million in bearer bonds with verification coupons attached, and a +7 Defender named "Durandal" :) This is an excellent opportunity to introduce NANCY to the agents, if they haven't met before.

Meanwhile, the Bad ol' Ghouls go to NYC and present Bischofe Belial with the goodies. Can Delta Green rescue the Commodore before Belial and the Karotechia have their way with him? They better...

Mark McFadden
Subject: Re: DG: The Fairfield Assassination
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:44:00 -0800

The Mib wrote, nay spewed:
> As this hasty violation of graves continues, Commodore Cook is nabbed
> by the Evil Ghouls, and Fairfield's coffin is found to be either
> empty or filled with someone else's corpus delecti (or, if you're a
> Monty-Haul Keeper - seven thousand Krugerands, $13 million in bearer
> bonds with verification coupons attached, and a +7 Defender named
> "Durandal" :)

And the body of a jackal, a heart of gold, a brain, True Love, the Holy Grail, courage, whatever was shining in the briefcase in Pulp Fiction, Rosebud, Keyser Soza and a baby's arm holding an apple.

Mark McFadden
"Now where did I put those Robert Johnson Basement Tapes?"

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